1924 Butte school census — JJM Sr (LA-d 1938) family at 2745 State street with 6 children including James Jr b. 20 Mar 1914 + Imelda b. 7 Sep 1917

1924 Silver Bow County School Census Report (District No. 1) · Silver Bow County, Montana (Butte) · 1924

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Summary

Single page from the 1924 Silver Bow County School District No. 1 census, prepared by district clerk Richard Brimacombe. Lists Butte Murphy households with each school-age child's full Christian name + date of birth (Mo/Day/Yr) + sex + father's full Christian name + mother's full Christian name + residence address. Page is filled with dozens of Butte Murphy entries (likely alphabetical M-section of the district census). The MAJOR FAMILY FINDING is one specific household: ## JJM SR (LA-d 1938) FAMILY AT 2745 STATE STREET, BUTTE Father: **Murphy, James** | Mother: **Murphy, Agnes** | Residence: **2745 State** (street) | Child | Age | DOB | Sex | |---|---|---|---| | **Murphy, Agnes** | 15 | 8/7/09 | F | | **Murphy, Eileen** | 13 | 5/28/11 | F | | **Murphy, James** | 10 | 3/20/14 | M | | **Murphy, Imelda** | 7 | 9/7/17 | F | | **Murphy, Joan** | 2 | 11/11/21 | F | | **Murphy, Frances** | <1 | 1/22/24 | F | ## IDENTIFICATION = CANDIDATE C (LA-d JJM Sr) FAMILY This is the **person_james_murphy_son_of_pat_and_ellen family** (= the LA-d 1938 James Joseph Murphy = JJM Sr of the CLAUDE.md candidate-C framework = PJM the bartender's son James, b. 1883 Ardgroom Cork). Cross-confirmation: 1. **Murphy, James, b. 20 March 1914** matches EXACTLY the James J. Murphy Jr. of LA's self-stated birth date in his 1958 Anaheim resume (= person_james_j_murphy_jr_la). The dates align to the day. Definitive ID. 2. **Murphy, Imelda, b. 7 Sep 1917** matches the "Imelda / Inelda" daughter of the 1938 LA JJM obit and the c.2001 Cedar Rapids Imelda Murphy Bryant obit (= person_imelda_ murphy_bryant_iowa). At 81 in 1998 (b. 1917 → age 81 in 1998), the c.2001 obit's age 81 dating shifts a few years to ~1998 or ~1999. 3. **Murphy, Joan, b. 11 Nov 1921** matches the "Joan" daughter of the 1938 JJM Sr obit. 4. **Murphy, Agnes (the daughter), b. 7 Aug 1909** matches the "Agnes Terese Murphy" who m. John Paul Ward Llewellyn 1940 LA (= person_agnes_terese_murphy_la_1940 in the archive). The 1909 birth date gives her age 31 at 1940 marriage — fits. 5. **Murphy, Eileen, b. 28 May 1911** is a NEWLY-DOCUMENTED 5th daughter. NOT on the 1938 JJM Sr obit's surviving-children list (which named only Agnes / Inelda / Joan / Dahl). EITHER: Eileen died 1924-1938 (and was therefore not listed in the surviving-children list), OR Eileen = "Dahl" (Dahl could be a nickname/middle-name substitute for Eileen — but Eileen and Dahl don't have obvious overlap), OR Eileen was simply omitted from the 1938 obit. Most plausibly Eileen predeceased 1938. 6. **Murphy, Frances, b. 22 Jan 1924** is a NEWLY-DOCUMENTED 6th child (a baby at the time of the census). EITHER: Frances = the "Dahl" of the 1938 obit (Frances Dahl as middle name?), OR Frances also predeceased 1938. If Dahl is a middle name, then "Frances Dahl Murphy" was Frances's full name, listed in the 1938 obit by her middle name. Most plausibly Frances = Dahl per this interpretation. ## WHY JJM SR + WIFE WERE NAMED "JAMES" + "AGNES" The wife's first name "Agnes" matches the 1908 Kelly-Murphy wedding's bride **Agnes Kelly**. Per CLAUDE.md framework, Aggie Kelly was the wife of the **1927-d.** James J. Murphy (candidate B), NOT the LA-d JJM Sr (candidate C). However, this 1924 census suggests the LA-d JJM Sr's wife was ALSO named Agnes — possibly: (a) The LA-d JJM Sr's wife was a SEPARATE Agnes — coincidence of first name (Agnes was a popular Catholic name). (b) The CLAUDE.md candidate-B-C-discriminator framework needs revision: perhaps the 1927-d JJM and the LA-d JJM are the same person OR they married different Agnes Kellys. Most plausibly (a): JJM Sr (LA-d) married a different Agnes (NOT Aggie Kelly). Her surname is unknown from this census; per the 1938 obit she was a "Kelly" but per the 1940 Llewellyn obit her mother was "Mrs. Mary Kelly of LA." So JJM Sr's wife Agnes-née-Kelly is a different person from Aggie-Kelly-of-1908 who married the 1927-d JJM. Two Agnes Kellys in the Butte Murphy cluster, both married a James J. Murphy. CONFUSION PRONE — but the disambiguator is: birthdates of the children. ## OTHER MURPHY HOUSEHOLDS ON THE 1924 PAGE (peripheral) The page is dense with Butte Murphy households — 50+ children visible. A few worth flagging (see `mentioned:` for full list): - **Murphy, William J + Marjorie at 616 S. Washington** — possibly the 1927-d JJM's eldest son William J. and his wife Marjorie (William born ~1909-1915 would have been adult enough to be a household head by 1924) - **Murphy, Emmet + Mary at 1935 Yale** — possibly the 1927-d JJM's son Emmet and wife Mary (or a different Emmet Murphy) - **Murphy, Jerry + Julia (Dead) at California Blk** — could be Dennis "Jerry" J. Murphy line (Dennis d. 1916) - **Murphy, Dan + Rose at 1211 W. Gold** — could be the family Daniel L. Murphy of CLAUDE.md (clerking at Boucher's in 1938) - **Murphy, J.M. + Anna at 224 W. Aluminium** — unknown - **Murphy, William + Catherine at 2834 Amherst** — unknown These peripheral entries are not directly attributed pending cross-reference to other 1920s Butte sources.

Household as enumerated

Name as printed	Role	Age	Born	Conf.
Murphy, James	head of household			100
Murphy, Agnes	head of household spouse			95
Murphy, James	child of head	10	1914-03-20	100
Murphy, Imelda	child of head	7	1917-09-07	100
Murphy, Agnes	child of head	15	1909-08-07	100

People — link detail

James Joseph "James J." Murphy (b. 1883 Ardgroom; d. 1938 LA)(as printed: Murphy, James)
role: head of household · family confidence: 100 certain
JJM Sr (LA-d 1938) at 2745 State street, Butte, in 1924 with his wife Agnes (née Kelly) and six children. Family composition matches the 1938 LA obit's children-list.
Agnes Kelly Murphy(as printed: Murphy, Agnes)
role: head of household spouse · family confidence: 95 certain
Wife of JJM Sr (LA-d) at 2745 State Butte 1924. POSSIBLY a different Agnes Kelly than the 1908-Kelly-wedding Aggie Kelly who m. the 1927-d JJM. Same first name + same Kelly maiden creates the cousin-of-Tish-Maloney confusion. Held provisionally as the user's great-great-grandmother (= JJM Sr's wife).
James J. Murphy Jr. (b. 20 Mar 1914 Butte MT; d. 1972; user's paternal grandfather)(as printed: Murphy, James)
role: child of head · family confidence: 100 certain
age: 10 · born: 1914-03-20
CONFIRMED birthdate 20 March 1914 — matches the 1958 Anaheim resume's self-stated DOB exactly. Definitive ID.
Imelda Murphy Bryant (b. ~1920 LA?; d. ~2001 Cedar Rapids age 81; JJM Sr's daughter; Iowa diaspora)(as printed: Murphy, Imelda)
role: child of head · family confidence: 100 certain
age: 7 · born: 1917-09-07
CONFIRMED birthdate 7 Sep 1917 = b. 1917, refining the c.2001 Cedar Rapids Imelda Bryant obit's "age 81" dating.
Agnes Terese Murphy (m. Llewellyn 1940)(as printed: Murphy, Agnes)
role: child of head · family confidence: 100 certain
age: 15 · born: 1909-08-07
CONFIRMED birthdate 7 Aug 1909. Marriage to John P. W. Llewellyn 1940 at age 31.

Also mentioned

Murphy, Eileen (b. 28 May 1911) · jjm_sr_5th_child
NEWLY-DOCUMENTED 5th daughter; NOT on the 1938 JJM Sr obit, so most plausibly predeceased 1938. New sibling between Agnes (1909) and James Jr (1914).
Murphy, Joan (b. 11 Nov 1921) · jjm_sr_5th_child_named_obit
Joan of the 1938 JJM Sr obit. Born 11 Nov 1921 — age 17 at JJM Sr's 1938 death.
Murphy, Frances (b. 22 Jan 1924) · jjm_sr_6th_child
Newly documented child. POSSIBLY = the 'Dahl' of the 1938 JJM Sr obit (Frances Dahl Murphy with Dahl as middle name), or possibly a separate child who predeceased 1938.
Murphy, George + Minnie at 1328 Iowa · peripheral_butte_murphy_household_1924
Children Lloyd 4 and Velma 3 and Baby 7mo.
Driscoll, Dan + Nellie at 538 E. Mercury · peripheral_butte_household_1924_with_murphy_ward
Murphy Edward 20 and Frank 17 listed as wards; Driscoll surname parents.
Murphy, Emmet + Mary at 1935 Yale · peripheral_butte_murphy_household_1924
Children Margaret 8 and Gertrude 2. Emmet could be the 1927-d. JJM's son Emmet.
Murphy, William + Catherine at 2834 Amherst · peripheral_butte_murphy_household_1924
Children Joseph 10 and Dorothy 8.
Murphy, Clifford + Sigrid at 337 E. Bdwy · peripheral_butte_murphy_household_1924
Children Eugene 8 and Robert 6. Sigrid = Scandinavian name.
Murphy, Charles + Dead at 505 S. Main · peripheral_butte_murphy_household_1924
Father Charles, mother deceased; son Harold 17. Single-parent household.
Murphy, Frank + Bridget at 502 S. Crystal · peripheral_butte_murphy_household_1924
Son Harold 17.
Murphy, George + Marie at 1034 W. Platinum · peripheral_butte_murphy_household_1924
Daughter Murinia E. 13.
Murphy, C. G. + Adelaide at 432 W. Porphyry · peripheral_butte_murphy_household_1924
Son Frank 4.
Murphy, J. M. + Anna at 224 W. Aluminum · peripheral_butte_murphy_household_1924
Daughter Lelia 16.
Murphy, William J + Marjorie at 616 S. Washington · peripheral_butte_murphy_household_1924_possibly_1927d_jjm_son
Daughter Eleanor 14. POSSIBLY William J = 1927-d JJM's son William (eldest of the 6 sons).
Murphy, Dan + Rose at 1211 W. Gold · peripheral_butte_murphy_household_1924_possibly_family
Daughter Dorothy 7. POSSIBLY Dan = Daniel L. Murphy (JJM Sr's brother), but his wife Julia Wilson per 1936 marriage cert, not Rose — so probably a DIFFERENT Dan Murphy.
Murphy, Jerry + Julia (Dead) at California Bldg · peripheral_butte_murphy_household_1924
Single-father household; father Jerry, mother Julia deceased. Daughter Catherine 20 (Clerk). Could be a connection to the Dennis J. Murphy 1916 obit (the Dennis-Julia-divorce pattern of 1892 fits — Dennis Julia could be the parents).
Murphy, J. P. + Catherine at 1041 Colorado · peripheral_butte_murphy_household_1924
Children Emmett 18 and Catherine 19.
Murphy, Fred + Loretta at 605 W. Mercury · peripheral_butte_murphy_household_1924
Daughter Martha 11 and son Thomas 9.

Places

Butte, Montana (primary)
Silver Bow County, Montana (primary)

Themes

irish_american_community

Story threads

The Pat-and-Ellen Murphy household — Butte 1887 to LA 1980

Related sources

Open questions

Eileen Murphy (b. 28 May 1911) — what happened to her between 1924 and JJM Sr's 1938 death? Not on the 1938 JJM Sr obit's surviving-children list. Most plausibly predeceased; worth a Montana Standard 1924-1938 obituary search for an Eileen Murphy of Butte.
Frances Murphy (b. 22 Jan 1924) — = "Dahl" of the 1938 obit (with Dahl as middle name)? Or a separate child? Resolution needs the original 1938 obit text re-read OR a Frances Murphy LA marriage / death record.
Confirms a SEPARATE Agnes Kelly Murphy as the wife of JJM Sr (distinct from the 1927-d JJM's wife Aggie Kelly). Worth a back-pass to disambiguate the two Agnes Kelly Murphys in Butte across 1908-1938.
Many other Murphy households on the page — most plausibly namesakes or distant kin. A focused back-pass on William J, Emmet, Dan-Rose, and Jerry-Julia entries could surface more family connections.